First posts

We all have to start somewhere. :) This is a collection of the first posts of various members of arc-t, both present and past. In some cases the text being responded to has been trimmed a bit to save space.

Paul Ambro (Antonio/Juggernaut) - July 27, 1999

Even secular humanism doesn't have that. The biggest collection plate of all is our government taxes.

Besides, a God that is not all-powerful is a logical contradiction. So you are wishing for a logical contradiction. Kinda like 0 divided by 0. Watch out, you might become a singularity point and become a black hole!

The UNIX Godfather wrote in message...
I am trying to find a good religion that DOES-NOT! have collection plates and ALL POWER-FULL Gods.

The UNIX Godfather

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Amy - June 7th, 2000

Welcome to arc-t. :) Please read our FAQ id you plan on sticking around - it's at http://www.enteract.com/~digialex/arc-t/faq-main.html

*puts in her folder to read.....*

*goes back to lurking*
Princess AmyLurker

"Raising a teenager is like trying to nail jello to a tree."

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Angel - August 12th, 1998

Josh R. Williams wrote:

What if you are born attracted to the wrong sex? What if you try and try to "change teams" with no success? I think that there are people out there who have no choice. The ones who are not openly gay. Imagine how it would feel knowing that you could never have kids or get married. Does god hate you when try to have feelings for women but just cant?! Please offer feedback to this subject via newsgroup and not my email, thanks.

If your god hates you for who you are, it can't be a god who's worth having. And you shouldn't have to change who you are as a person and an individual to be exepted by your god. Besides, what's wrong with beeing a homosexual, as long as it feels natural for you?

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AntiSocial - May 20th, 1998

America is a Christian nation, you pagan twit! And stay away from this newsgroup! We Christians don't stand for blasphemous child sacrificers.

What the Fuck is your problem! I don't give a flying fuck if America has a Christian majority, you say pagans are child-sacrificing Hellions? Get a clue! Cristians don't even read their Bibles correctly! And if you want Atheists and Pagans to stay out of your groups, don't come to ours and try and "spread the word". Next time a christian spams our groups with atheist jokes, you'll find fifty postings of all 485 pages of christian jokes in every one of your groups! I'm sorry, but it's pretty sad when even other religiouns say Christians are morons. Ask the Muslims. Evil is Good, so go fuck yourself on an alter.

AntiSocial has spoken

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Michael Bigg - April 14, 2000

When ever I speak to an Atheist about the Bible they always tell me about its' contradictions. Who cares! The message is still there. Anyone else get this?


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Blade - December 5, 1998

Because it is God's wish that all come to repentance and have eternal life. In due process all flesh shall die. Also, please see my responses to Treelo in the thread...Re: - Prove the any "god" is necessary !!!!

Frank The Christian

Pure speculation, apart form all flesh dying bit, go get some real evidence for your god if you expect to move anyone.


I really can't be bothered with a sig at this time, go look at one of my messages in godless people thread

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John Calla - April 22nd, 1999

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:28:16 GMT, saul_sabia@hotmail.com wrote:

Fuck it. I hope more people die, because otherwise people won't do shit about it.

Find the problem, and fix it. I think I know what the problem is, but maybe I'm wrong.

I reckon the problem is you. Read on:

I wouldn't mind having a couple hundred jocks and athletes dying, though, maybe they won't have so many stupid people taking up class space for me to compete against.

I know, it is a shame that some people weren't born perfect like you.

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John Chang - September 8th, 1997

Well, I guess I just found the newsgroup I was searching for. Been searching for a Christian newsgroup that dealt with teens, but I have a few questions. How many of these messages are by teenagers on the average? Are these posts usually "non-Christian Vs Christian" posts? Are the threads usually as long as they seem?

The most important question: "Have I found the right newsgroup to discuss issues with fellow Christians without too much strife?"

Johnny Chang

E-mail is very welcome. Try to be nice though, I usually toss my mail at the first sign of obscenity.

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Charos - July 27th, 1998

*sigh* OK...this is the 90's!! Shouldn't everyone be treated equal? I'd say, go for it...simply because you're dating a J.W. doesn't all of a sudden mean you're satans son...Personally...I think you should believe what you believe and allow her to have her beliefs, just leave it out of the relationship altogether...if she starts to try to force you into her views, then break up...it's as simple as that. Not dating someone because of their religion is as fanatical as not dating someone because they're black, white, Hispanic, whatever. Of course, I'm looking at this from one side, I'm agnostic and I'm good friends with *gasp* WITCHES...I know I'm going to hell...I'll see ya there ;) J/K


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Clay - February 23rd, 1999

well, you know what they say, "hate the sin, love the sinner"

Homosexuality is not a sin. It is not a choice. It is not a lifestyle. It is a sexual orientation, as valid as heterosexuality, though not as common.

Those of you who say don't understand it... why would you? You're straight. Homosexuals don't understand heterosexuals, either.

Why do you feel so strongly about something which has no effect on you? Are you worried that your children will be recruited by older homosexuals or something? If so, that's a myth. Worry no longer. Do you really think it's your business what consenting adults do in their own homes?

Why is it that people read a handful of Bible verses regarding "men with men" and take it so readily to heart, yet ignore many other Biblical verses which are harder to defend? The writers of the Bible were most likely homophobic. They were also sexist, based on the treatment of women in the text. What do you expect? Women were only given the vote in the last couple centuries. And homosexuality still faces strong bigotry in these so-called enlightened times.

If you honestly believe the Bible was not written by men with their own points of view, but rather is the inerrant Word of God, you are deceiving yourself. I've lurked here for awhile and I don't think that's the case for most of you.


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Jane Hall - January 16, 1999


Mark 16: 15 -- 16 (which is part of the Great Commission of Jesus) says:

(15) He said unto them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. (16) Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

This is probably the scripture that the person you were talking to was referring to. Jesus said believe (through faith) and be baptized. Condemnation comes to those who do not believe (which, of course, would include faith). He didn't say ( in this particular scripture, anyway) that condemnation would come if you were not baptized. Jesus was baptized. I think it is pretty clear that this is what he would want us to do. But to make it a classification for salvation? I don't think that goes along with the general theme of the entire New Testament. Salvation is through faith in God's plan of salvation in Jesus. I don't think it's a good idea to take one or two or three ( or just a few) verses out of scritpure and allow those scriptures to rule over the theme of the Bible.

Hint: Find a concordance, or go to: http://www.biblestudytools.net and look up the words baptized and saved. You will get a clearer picture. Plus, you will be able to make up your own mind if you read it for yourself. The Bible clearly says that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and will lead us into all truth. Check out John 16:13. Better still, read the entire chapter of John 16. Wait! Read the whole book of John from cover to cover and you will gain much understanding!

Jane Hall

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Karen Hi - December 19th, 1998

In answer to the scriptures that you gave on strong drink,friend,I'd like to reply with scripture....
First,let's go to the scripture that you gave in John,where Jesus turned the water into wine. It has been known throughout history that there were two types of wine-fermented and unfermeted (alcoholic and unalcoholic). Jesus, the Son of God, did not in one point break the Law of God,yet obeyed,and knew the scriptures more than any man,for they were the joy of HIs soul-they guided HIs life. He knew of the sciptures that spoke of the harmful effects of wine-indeed,He had gien those scriptures. Friend,I am led to believe that the wine that Jesus made at that wedding was the unfermented wine made from grape(another word for grapejuice,I suppose),and not the alcoholic beverage.
Now,in Proverbs 31 verses 6 and 7 it says, "Give strong drink to him who is perishing,and wine to those who are of a bitter heart. Let him drink and forgethis poverty,and remember his misery no more." Yet look at what that chapter says,right before those verses. In verse 4 of chapter 31 it read, "Not for Kings,O lemuel,not for kings to drink wine." Then look at Revelation chapter 1,verse 5 and 6..... " and from Jesus Christ,the faithful witness,the firstborn from the dead,and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him glory and dominion forever and ever."
"...and has made us kings..." When we become Christians, we become kings,I think, by God,if I am interpreting these scriptures correctly. And if we are kings, then let us look back to where it says in Proverbs...."Not for kings,O Lemuel, not for kings to drink wine."

Email: karenjes@webtv.net
May God bless you and yours as you seek Him

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Holyfire - December 9th, 1998

Religion, xtianity in particular, is the ideal thing someone would go into denial about: it fills several Maslow needs, and creates an inpenetrable wall of obviously stupid yet easily usable wordplays and circular arguments to keep christians safe from logic and reason until they've left the world behind more of a mess than it would have been if they had brightened up.

The wisdom of God is foolishness to men. If you don't understand, there's nothing I can do about it.

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Curt Ickes - August 18, 1998

I Hate The Cross
by tim meyers

Xposts beget xposts........

Don't quit your day job, Timmy. A poet you ain't. A fool you is. But thanks for the thought.

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." - Matthew 5:11-12 (KJV)

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." - Matthew 5:44 (KJV)

So Tim, sorry if you thought your rant was going to hurt a bunch of Christian's feelings, or make us mad, or make us hate *you*. Your hate does nothing but make you... a sad person.


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Inky - February 19th, 1999

Hey, are any of you Pentecostal or Charismatic?

Check out my site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/2318

No, I'm not one of those people who just visits a news group once to advertise his site. I want your opinions, so I'll be checking back.


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Lindsay Jackel - November 25th, 1998

Note: Lindsay posted 109 times the first day that he posted, so it was difficult to pinpoint one exact post that would be his "first". This one was chosen because it's relatively short, and is representative of the tone that Lindsay often had


For someone who claims not to be homosexual you study up on it big time and know a lot about it.

Are you coming out to yourself?

Or are you simply mixed up, in much the same way as you aren't christian but you love to harass christians in a christian forum.

Some would call that stalking!

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:23:02 -0600, Steven Schrader
(steve@arc-t.org) wrote:

I'm afraid that this list only covers the theological aspect of homosexuality at the moment. I'm planning on adding some references that cover the scientific aspect as well in the near future.

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Jo - January 6th, 1999

Timothy Meyers wrote
Christians have no sense of humour. What does a conservative xtian do in a stand-up act?
"What about those fags, eh? They're gonna fry in hell for sinning."
Humor requires warmth. And humanity. Conservatism is an immediate parallel to that.

Are you saying that Christians have no warmth and humanity? The last time I looked in the mirror I looked human and my temperature seems normal!

Margaret Ann - March 9th, 1998

One way to avoid abortions and also all the negative things that come along with casual sex and promiscuity is abstinence. Not that one should never have sex, but why not wait till one is married (and then stay faithful to one's spouse). That would really get rid of a lot of the negative things going on.
-Margaret Ann

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Jeremiah McGowen - October 7th, 1997

Hello everyone. This is the first time I've posted to this newsgroup. I have a question. I've recently gone through some nasty stuff regarding dating relationships and I'm just looking for other people out there who have had similar experiences to talk to. Guys or girls it doesn't matter, I'd love to hear the story from both sides. There's so much that's confusing me and I'm just seeking to understand the pain, the hurt, the grief, the anger and the acceptance. I want to know how other people deal with these situations. Please mail me.

This is also my first time posting to this group, in fact I started reading it not more then ten minutes ago. I've found some quite interesting articles in here, yet this one peaked my interest. I'm currently cleaning up after a harsh break up between me and my girlfriend which involves one of her friends getting other people to send me e-mails threatening me, and loads of other nonsense. Just for the record, the reason I borke up with my last (and first) girlfriend was because she mistook something I had done to her, and ended up taking it out on me even after I tried to explain to her the truth of the situation. I think that if she had taken the time to understand what I was saying, a whole lot of the trouble that happened between us could have been avoided. I also think that I could have tried a little more to understand her side of it while we were having the trouble, not afterwards once we had broken up. Either way, we both made a lot of mistakes concerning just this one situation, and it managed to ruin it all for both of us. So, Lawrence, I'm just blurting all this out to let you know that sometimes the blame can't really be placed on any one person. Sometimes something just happens and that's the way it is. If you're wondering, right now I have another girlfriend, and I am also still friends with my old girlfriend. In fact, the two girls are friends with each other as well.
If you'd like to continue this conversation, feel free to e-mail me at Rogue5007@aol.com

Jeremiah McGowan

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Timothy Meyers - August 8th, 1998

Worship me or burn in hell? Man, how egocentric can you get! God sure must be a fascist ass if he exists! (Not that I'm calling him a fascist ass, since he DOESN'T exist. If you think he does then, well, you're pretty damned gullible. Why don't you have "faith" in Santa or the Tooth Fairy?) -tim-

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Michelle - March 31, 1998

...The question then is who was our benefactor? The likely hero is Satan since he encouraged Adam and Eve to make use of the tree.

That's backwards. God made them in his image. When they ate from the tree they became sinful and unlike God. God put the tree there so we could chose if we wanted to follow him or not. Satan was a hero, for his kingdom.

The did not die the day they ate of the tree.

They were open to eternal death, since they sinned and had the chance to go to Hell.

Satan knew that God was lieing so he appeared to A and E in the form of a serpent to let them know that God was lieing. Satan sacrificed himself for our sake.

He didn't sacrifice anything. He became a snake so they'd be able to see him. He knew God wasn't lieing and wanted to get A and E to sin.

How would giving Adam and Eve free will and knowledge of right and wrong help Satan to take over?

If they didn't know something was wrong it wouldn't be a sin and they wouldn't go to Hell, which is his objective.

If God was in charge why did he allow the tree to take effect?

So we'd have free choice and wouldn't be little zombies walking around.

Satan is the hero and God has never forgiven him.

Satan was thrown out of Hell, he didn't take over like he wanted. That's hardly a Hero.

According to Genesis, the reason for the worlds dismay is that God took his rage at being defeated by Satan out on us, by makeing us suffer.

We sinned, that's why he punished us.

It seems rather like God never intended for us to remain as we were created so he concocted the tree idea so that he could pass the blame on to us rather than accepting responsability himself.

He wanted us to stay that way, but knew we wouldn't. It's all part of a plan.

It seems that God wants to keep us dangling on a string rather than takeing responsability for his actions and fixing everything.

Fixing what? All the pain and suffering. We bring that on ourselves. He could destroy the wold, but he promised not to.

He's making us take responsibility for our actions, first. Please explain how we can possibly be responsable for things which are completly beyond our control.

They're not, we sin. Don't sin, believe in God and it's fine.

I think that major earthquakes and train crashes occur when God gets bored.

Maybe Satan does that? If people never died the world would REALLY suck. Too many people, more crime, more sin.

If I ask someone who has studied the Bible I will just get their bias...As opposed to anything resembling truth.

Many Historians study the Bible, ask them. No bias there, except when they find it's true and convert.....

The Bible writers are dead but according to them Jesus lied...In several places where Jesus say that for God all things are possible.

Try again please. I have no clue what you mean.


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Mirthie - June 13th, 1999

I seem to recall a famous quote...oh yes. "I spend all of my time witnessing, and sometimes I open my mouth." Now, you may not think that Christian T-shirts have bearing in anyone's life, but they do. For one thing, you're identifying yourself, next you're giving Christians around you confidence. Conversion is as much seeing a person lead a Christian life, as it is listening to witnessing.

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MiSSY - February 21st, 1998

This is my first time posting in a newsgroup, so bear with me. But I felt like I couldn't get a strait answer from anywhere.

I like this girl at the college that I goto and I liked her since before I knew what religon that she was. I am a Baptist and she is a Mormon. Does anyone here feel that it would be alright if we dated? Or would it be asking for problems later on?

Isnt it all christian? Whats wrong with that. I believe that separating ourselves into denominations is wrong anyway. It makes us weaker. If you both believe in Jesus and the Bible than theres nothing else really that you have to consider. There are different beliefs but if you follow the Bible God will clear up misunderstandings

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Chris Murphy - June 4th, 2000

There are a number of arguements that support a one man, one woman relationship as the ideal.

There are MORE arguments that it supports polygamy; but there isn't a substantial instance where either exclusive polygamy or monogomy is required; and there isn't even substantial evidence that heterosexual arrangements are required; only that they not occur in conjunction with idolotry, gang rape, or lust, or adultery (which at the time meant sleeping with another man's wife or concubine).

The best is that God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam, Eve, Fran, Gloria and Helen. Not Adam and Burt. Not Eve and Fran.

In the beginning there ONLY WAS Adam and Eve (assuming you even buy that part of the bible as literal), so it's not like the story even allows for Adam and Even and Helen and Fran and Gloria. Abraham had multiple wives, David had multiple wives, Jacob had multiple wives; if I'm not mistaken all of them had concubines as well. Show where God had a specific problem with polygamy, and not some other actions of these individuals.

As for Adam and Burt - show where the concept of same sex love even comes up; I challenge you to provide a single citation where homosexual activity is considered wrong that is also not in context of idolotry, rape, or lust - ALL OF which would be just as wrong in a heterosexual context.

Chris Murphy

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Tricia Muscato - September 6th, 1999

I'm guessing he's trying to ask the reverse of the last question: Does the "Separation of Church and State" bit in the constitution violate the "In God we Trust" bit on our currency.

I didn't catch the In God We Trust thread, so I don't know if this was covered...

Separation of church & state is NOT in the Constitution. It was in some letter someone wrote (I think it was Jefferson who wrote the letter). The first amendment to the Constitution says that government shall not promote a certain religion nor limit the free exercise thereof (not the exact words, but it's the gist).


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